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  ] ...I'll probably only get an X-Fi when my SoundBlaster Live! stops working from old age/silicon decay :D

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  I guess that day has come. Or rather, that day may never come because I may have to replace my (WORKING) Sound Blaster Live. Gah. *hatez microshaft* I own what I would consider to be one of the most widely distributed soundcards in the world, made by one of the biggest names in the business: A Creative Sound Blaster Live! 'Digital Entertainment' 5.1, to give it it's full name. It cost me a pretty penny several years ago. Can anyone provide a reasonable explanation (or even wild speculation) as to why (WHY????) Microsoft would neglect to include support for this soundcard in Windows 7? Not only does it not natively support this soundcard with in-box drivers, but it will stop you from installing compatible drivers and will not find anything when you tell it to update the drivers from the internet. WHY???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? I completely fail to comprehend Microsoft's frankly idiotic decision here. Now, I had the same problem in Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit. I circumvented it by booting Windows Vista in its "Disable Driver Signature Enforcement" mode. See the last boot option in this image: This option allows you to install drivers containing 'improper' (or non-WHQL) signatures. Now, I can probably bypass the problem in the same way this time (Windows 7 is actually just Windows Vista Service Pack 2). But I really don't want to have to a) 'hack' my nice clean install of Windows 7 in this manner if I don't have to, and b) have to boot Windows 7 from the Advanced Boot Menu every single time I want to listen to audio... Suggestions? PS. It may be possible or necessary to do the same thing so that I can load those 'unsigned' nVidia WDM drivers. But again, I'd rather avoid having to perform this 'bypass' if I can help it.
   
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  And here are the (resized) screenshots of Windows 7 telling me to take a running jump:
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   
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  Bru, you gave me the doc called "the cost of windows 7", that's why!
  
  Although, I have not had any issues with either of my Sound cards, media PC has a X-Fi Extreme Music and gaming rig has an X-Fi elite. I have had HUGE issues with both of these cards in both XP and Vista (numerous threads on the forum here), but both worked 100% perfectly in windows 7 using the native XP drivers on the original driver CD.
  
  Now I have ADSL I've updated to the lastest (using windows update) and have had no issues since. Perhaps there is another component oin your PC that's causing some crazy conflict and causing hassles.
   
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  ...I have not had any issues with either of my Sound cards... X-Fi Extreme Music and... X-Fi elite...
  

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  X-Fi cards are supported by Windows 7. That's why you haven't had any problems there.
  
  

  
  Perhaps there is another component on your PC that's causing some crazy conflict and causing hassles.
  

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  No, I'm afraid its not that. This card is *explicitly* not supported by WinVista/Win7.
  
  My onboard audio works. But I don't want to use my crappy onboard audio. I want to use my (much better) Creative soundcard.
  
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  Update:
  
  After making a system restore point, I threw caution to the winds and installed the most recent version of Creative's Live! Universal Driver pack that I could find. Unfortunately, during installation, the driver pack reported that it found no compatible hardware. I then manually extracted the driver pack and individually applied Administrator permissions to all executables within the pack (someone mentioned on a forum somewhere that this worked for them). Still no joy when trying to apply the driver manually:
  
  
  
  The error message about the file being locked is entirely spurious.
  
  Next, I stumbled upon the Windows Seven forums (http://www.sevenforums.com/) and this useful thread (Clickity Click).
  
  After reading that for a bit, I remembered that I had previously installed a kxProject driver to get my Creative Sound Blaster Live! to work in Windows Vista. So I quickly downloaded the recommended 5 megabyte driver (you can get it here: http://www.filecluster.com/downloads/kX-Project-Audio-Driver.html). Gleefully, I installed it, only to be greeted eventually by this message:
  
  
  
  It took several minutes for the kxProject driver to install itself (be patient!). Anyway, the new driver finally informed me that I should reboot, which I dutifully did. At this point, the kxProject driver was still not installed properly. I opened Device Manager, right-clicked on the unknown Multimedia Audio Controller, and chose Update Driver. I chose to manually select a driver, and navigated to the kxProject\3541 folder in Program Files. After clicking on OK, I was confronted by this welcome message:
  
  
  
  I wanted to be sure, so I had a quick look in Device Manager:
  
  
  
  SUCCESS!
  
  After this, I was presented with several different audio devices to choose from, which support differing amounts of channels. Its not a perfect solution, but it allows me to use my Creative Sound Blaster Live! as my audio ouput rather than my Realtek onboard sound. I'm forced to admit however, that this is a temporary measure, until I upgrade to an X-Fi. The kxProject driver lacks certain features, like EAX, and I can't properly choose my surround setup (5.1).
  
  Note that I had to do this with Enforced Driver Integrity turned OFF (via the F8 menu boot option or on a more permanent basis using BCDEdit). And even then, Windows 7 warned me several times that this was an unsigned driver.
  
  Issue marked as RESOLVED. See Hawkie, Win7 isn't so bad
  
   
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  Update: Version 3550 of the kxProject driver has been released:
  
  http://www.driverheaven.net/general-discussion/189827-3550-released-x86-x64.html
  
   
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  Glad you got some resolution to this problem. I had a similar challenge with my X-fi cards and vista...